Thanks for the link you sent me entitled “286 Translated to Rome Henry Gruver Steve Quale JULY 2016”. I had to listen to it carefully as it went rather quickly.
Before I get into what I thought, I just wanted to elaborate on how I try to understand things that are happening today spiritually. In short, I rely on God’s Word in the Bible, and hold everything up to this standard. His Word is supremely authoritative. I do this to stop myself following people or causes that are not of God, as without the Word I’d be as susceptible as anyone to being deceived.
The question I think many people (including me at times) have struggled with is, am I upholding the authority of the Scriptures or the authority of men who claim to speak for God?
The scriptures below are beautiful and I hope they move you too. They actually move me to take them more seriously, hence my “notes to self” in italics after them:
10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
What I should ask myself whenever faced with a new teacher or doctrine – am I being a Berean here? Am I checking back with the scriptures to see if this new teaching is biblically sound?
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Again, what I should ask myself here is: am I looking at the fruits (doings) of people’s supposed faith? Is someone a good or a bad tree? Are they bringing me into a closer walk with the Lord Jesus and His Word, or not?
2 Timothy 4:2-4
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
I need a constant reminder to be long suffering as patience is not my default setting. The scripture above is a good reminder for me when reaching out to people who have different opinions to mine about a matter of doctrine.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-11
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Some things which stood out for me when I listened to that YouTube video, which made me concerned:
- A focus on spiritual power working through him (Henry), which he said he’d never felt to that extent before. No mention of humility in our holy God’s presence (which we know from the bible caused men to fall to the ground in worship as per Revelation 1:17 and 22:8, and Daniel 8:17-18). In fact, Henry said the “Lord” commanded him to fall to his knees in his bedroom, his encounter didn’t seem like the others mentioned previously in this point.
- No focus on God’s Word and the great commission Christ gave his followers to preach the gospel world-wide and save souls. See below for Matthew 28:19-20:
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
- Instead it seems that Henry and his team were doing spiritual but clearly unbiblical things such as “loosing angels” and “releasing strongholds” (see another video I found on Henry at this link: http://wmcgrew.blogspot.com/2013/02/how-to-commune-with-god-by-henry-gruver.html)
- Where in the bible are we instructed to do such things? I searched for these keywords in both the NIV and KJV bibles but found no references to them.
- At the video link above Henry repeatedly calls his experiences with the Lord “exciting” and that we are living in “exciting” times today. Again, there is a focus on his emotional experiences with the power he is contacting, rather than a simple faith and trust in God’s Words. It’s almost like he views God as a cosmic power station rather than a person whose will and character we can start to grasp – and live by – when we are truly born-again and obey his Word.
- At one point in the video link above Henry says “Believe me, I am in love with Jesus.” If this is so, why the need for the qualifier (“Believe me”)? People who are telling the truth just assume that they will be believed, see point 4 in the link following https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/321282)
- I went to Henry’s personal website, henrygruver.org. He spoke about the fact that miracles are needed as well as God’s words for people to be saved. But the Lord brought this scripture to mind regarding salvation (and this was a wake-up call to me to trust more deeply, and completely on God’s Word). The Word of God is clearly held up as the only tool we need to see someone repent and follow Christ, as we know God’s Holy Spirit speaks through it:
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house: 28 for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
I don’t want to discount miracles or to say that I believe God never heals people or performs wonderous works today. But whenever we see someone claim that a miracle has occurred, we surely need to ask is it of God or not. As I shared with you in our catch-up today, I have been deceived myself about this when I saw an enticing vision when living in America around 2003. It took me a long time to wonder if what I saw had a trustworthy background or not. Have we tried the spirits whether they be of God (1 John 4:1)? Is the person in a closer relationship with God’s Word than they were before the miracle happened? Are they making a sincere effort to abide by Christ’s commandments, as per the below:
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
- Back to the video you shared with me (“Translated to Rome”). It is significant I believe that the massive angel Henry saw on the left side of him, in the catacombs, had “hands so big he could have popped my head off.” Henry then calls on another team member, Steve, to share some truly horrible and frightening things from the war in Afghanistan including seeing people with missing heads. No empathy or sorrow for these people was demonstrated by either Steve or Henry when this memory of Steve’s was shared. It was as though they were enthralled by power and violence, instead of humbly realising that, as sinners, they too could have suffered a similar fate if unsaved (see Luke 13:4-5).
- Again, going back to the video, Henry claimed that since his experience in 1988, what he calls the “apostolic mantle of anointing” has exploded around the world. The popularity of this phenomenon gives me a check in my spirit. Didn’t the Lord Jesus say to watch out for preachers and evangelists who are popular in the world? The Lord Himself only had a tiny band of followers left when he was crucified (John, his mother Mary and some other female followers as per John 19:25-26). See the passage below:
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
- Again, concerning the video. In it, Henry claims the two great angels he saw were in the catacombs in Rome. And that he had power over them by commanding them to be bound in chains until the day of the Lord. Firstly, ordinary people rebuking angels is prideful and forbidden in Scripture. As it is written, the Lord is the one who does the rebuking:
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Also there is only one place I could find where angels were bound in the Bible and it was the River Euphrates in Turkey, not Rome:
13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, 14 saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. 15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
- The focus on power and emotional experiences in the video I was sent on WhatsApp leads me to wonder where the Cross of Christ is in all of it? Why aren’t these men, including Henry, striving to reach out to others with the gospel and live holy lives (whereby they would work with the real Lord Jesus’s leading to develop humble, charitable hearts)? It is significant that Henry’s website contained very few mentions of the Word of God (I checked) and the Biblical phrase he used on it was Psalm 89:15, which mentions music and “the light of thy countenance” but not the Word of God:
Blessed is the people that know the joyful sound:
they shall walk, O Lord, in the light of thy countenance.
The above point is pertinent because Satan himself can appear as an angel of light:
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
In short, I don’t believe Henry Gruver was truly following the Lord and we should therefore not follow him.
I loved the lyrics of that song you told me about today, “Where you go I go.” As long as we abide in the Lord Jesus’ Word we will be safely guided by Him to heaven, where He is:
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches:
He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
1 John 2:14
I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
May the Lord Jesus bless you. Thank you for sharing this video with me, looking into the matter helped build my faith.
Your sister in Christ,