Below is an email I sent Tim Spiess from Jesus’ Families on 11/07/2005. Tim promotes himself online as a true disciple of Jesus, yet as the below shows he is a false prophet who – when last I spoke with him – was totally unrepentant. Tim ignores the Old Testament (when Jesus plainly told us He did not come to undo the Law and the Prophets but to fulfill them by the Law of Love (Matthew 5:17-19)). In publishing the below I am following the Word of God’s commandment in Titus 3:10-11:
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
BTW, please read the below with spiritual discernment, comparing what I have written against the Word of God in the Old and New Testaments. I have included the email below to save others going down a spiritual dead end I went down several years ago when looking for real disciples of Jesus.
And some hope for people who may have been concerned regarding the testimony I gave about suffering from demons in 2005. Since the below email was sent the sensations I experienced have lessened considerably, due to strong faith in the Son of God Jesus. So faith in Christ is the answer for everyone, no matter what your issue is: I hope this encourages you in your walk with God.
Yet another email I’ve written to you after saying that I wanted to end my fellowship with Jesus’ Families. The reason I’ve done this is that you recently raised several issues to do with the truth, and real faith in God, that need answering.
In a previous email you stated that I have “no power” over demons and that therefore I cannot be a real disciple. That may be true but, unlike you and Patty, I have never claimed to be a true disciple of Jesus. That I have little or no authority over evil is therefore to be expected.
The real issue is that both you and Patty clearly believe that true disciples should have power over demons. We’ve examined my situation regarding demons. It’s only fair if we now look at yours.
Mark 16:17-19 confirms your belief about true disciples and demons. Jesus says that true believers in Him will be able to cast them out. So, according to your beliefs – and Jesus Himself – you and Patty should be able to cast out demons. Yet you have had at least three people come to you suffering from demonic attacks (Carla Hanson, myself, and another lady) who you could do nothing for. This is in direct contrast to Jesus, who cast out demons quickly and efficiently, and who healed whoever came to Him without exception (Matt. 4:23-24; Matt. 8:28-32; Matt. 9:35; Matt. 12:22, etc).
In light of the above, how can you judge other people’s status with God when your own is far from certain? (Matt. 7:1-5)
The 2nd issue concerns the essay “Follow Jesus, Not
Unfortunately, you have built your entire argument on sand. For some reason you have taken Exodus 20:2-17 out of context and have thus presented a false view of what really happened at Mount Sinai.
This matters because you then use this false view to justify your belief that the Law of God is not perfect. And from this you go on to tell everyone who reads your website that WE DON’T HAVE TO KEEP IT ANYMORE to be saved.
Tim, read Exodus 19 and 20, to put the above passage in context. You will find that God Himself, not Moses, spoke the 10 commandments directly to the people (Exodus 19:9; 20:1). And if God spoke the 10 commandments then, by definition, they are indeed
perfect and to say otherwise is to willfully strive against Him.
There are many other claims you make in this essay that are scripturally unsupported, and therefore false, but the above is probably the most obvious one.
The 3rd issue concerns your claim that I am a “false internet prophet.” Again, as I have never claimed to be any kind of prophet you can’t justly label me this. All I did was pass on concerns I had after reading about the Arkansas Christian Community. You don’t have to be a prophet to see that this organisation is not of God. You just have to compare it back to Jesus’ teachings in scripture.
And once again, to be fair, I must turn the spotlight you shone on me back to you and Patty (Matt. 7:1-5). Here’s a quote from John14-6.org:
“Mr. Spiess’ messages are prophetic and edifying regarding end time issues, discerning and exhortative regarding the key doctrinal compromises that are occurring in the apostasy…”
The above shows you, Tim Spiess, announcing yourself to the world as a true prophet. This is a very serious claim to make as, by definition, you are calling yourself the mouthpiece of God. If your messages are truly prophetic, as you say they are, then they must be divinely inspired and without error
Is this the case? A quick browse alone through your messages reveals that most of them contain the words of someone you define as a false apostle (please note: I do not agree with Tim here, but he defines Paul as being a false apostle in his writings).
Clearly, then, not everything you wrote in these messages is divinely inspired or without serious error. From this we can
fairly conclude that you are what you labelled me to be: a false prophet.
There are serious consequences for prophesying lies in the name of God. It is a terrible abuse of authority because people’s souls are at stake (Zechariah 13:3).
The final issue is your belief that God the Father is not to be revered, loved, and feared as holy. Our salvation depends on knowing who the true God is, and what His real requirements of us are.
Many statements Jesus made show that your view of God the Father is mistaken. The most obvious one is the following:
And as touching the dead, that they rise: have you not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spoke to him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? (Mark 12:26)
Tim, look up Exodus 3:1-6, which Jesus is clearly quoting (and validating the TRUTH OF) here. It describes God warning Moses not to come too close to Him because “the place you are standing on is holy ground.” Other gospel passages revealing the holiness of Jesus’ Father, and His Father’s temple, are:
Matthew 17:5-6 (here the Father is described as a
“bright cloud” overshadowing the disciples. This matches descriptions of God in the Old Testament. And the terrified prostration of Jesus’ disciples is similar to how Moses reacted in Exodus 3:6 due to God’s holiness), 23:17-22, 24:15; Mark 12:26, 9:6-7, 13:14; Luke 9:34-35, 12:5, 19:46, 20:37; John 2:16,
17:17, 17:19, 18:6, 20:17.
As for the argument that Jesus’ death somehow altered the unchanging nature of God so that we can now run boldly into His presence without respecting His holiness – read the book of Revelation. It gives the lie to this. Also see the description of the angel at the tomb of Jesus. Those who witnessed him shook with fear and “became as dead men” due to his holy presence (Matt. 28:4). If ANGELS are still revered as holy after Jesus’ death, then their Creator (who is far greater in power and might than they are) must surely be also. The book of Revelation further testifies to the truth of this.
It’s only in John’s gospel and epistles that we come across lines such as:
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love (1 John 4:18)
I admit I haven’t yet reached the above stage yet but would still contend that loving someone includes respecting their nature and authority. Respect isn’t necessarily fear but can be positive admiration of someone’s qualities. In the case of God, it would be that we admire his holiness and purity, therefore we would be in awe of Him as well as loving Him.
Tim, I’m addressing this email more to you than to Patty. Unlike Patty (and myself, for that matter), you have spent many years searching the scriptures. Thus your responsibility to find, and pass on, the truth about God is greater than ours. Yet the above
shows that you have made false prophesies, misquoted scripture, and ignored the plain sayings of Jesus, to support a false view of God the Father. And you reinforce this false view of the Father into Patty and the children night and day.
People will go to hell because they believed, and spread, lies about God (Rev. 22:15).
I honestly believe you are refusing to look into the truth about God because the truth – a holy God who demands both love and OBEDIENCE to His Laws – is not something you want to embrace. You seem to be comfortable with your false view of “God the friendly Father”, though this is clearly a God that was NEVER REVEALED BY JESUS and thus cannot save your soul. Can you build a solid case from scripture that validates your view of God? I think you’ll find there isn’t one.
You’re basing much of your faith on a subjective experience you and Patty claim to have had, that nobody else can verify, that you call being “born again” and “in touch with the Father’s Spirit.”
Tim, how can you claim to be filled with “God’s Spirit” when you are unable to discern spiritually dangerous websites such as the Arkansas Christian Community, you misquote scripture, you prophesy lies in His name, you personally attack people (such as myself) who question you, and you have no demonstrable authority over demons? If you have His Spirit, why do your works testify so strongly against you? (Matt. 7:15-16)
You also claim to follow ALL of Jesus’ teachings yet this too is shown to be false. In our previous email exchanges, I noticed that you conveniently ignore those sayings of His that reveal the Father’s holiness, or prove the truth of what the prophets said, and this leads you to DISOBEY every commandment Jesus makes concerning His Father’s Law.
The fruit of all this is that you are spreading lies about God and salvation to everyone who comes in contact with you, both on the Internet and in your personal life. If you don’t wake up and see how tragically you have deceived yourself, you will lead your family into one of Satan’s many traps: a supposedly Christian Community that worships devils.
Then the LORD said to me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spoke to them: they prophesy to you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?